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[Obsidian]

Already did in my thread. The fact that it came into this thread as well......beatings shall ensue. LMAO!

Too funny... I'm sure your reply there was nice and PC just like it was here lol

I wasn't being a schlong. I honestly had no idea what he was asking. I still don't.

Ah I figured you would have picked up on the part where he talked about flashing an ota update in his stock slot. I get why you didn't pick up on the encryption since we've never really talked about it

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[Int_Rnd_Pooka]

I assumed he was flashing the deodexed 246 from goo.im

[Aldroid33]

Don't be a shlong Pooka :-) He doesn't understand how our phone works.

Edit:

You can't flash an ota on our phone with SS or BS. You have to use the stock recovery to apply an update. Your phone also has to be stock(delete all room slots and SS) top do it. It can be rooted

Edit 2:

I believe this is what you were trying to ask so here is some info

Neither Clockwork Mod or even the stock recovery can access the storage on the device after it's encrypted. The fact that the stock recovery can't is exceptionally poor form on Google's behalf.

You can't even perform a factory reset. The only way to unencrypt the device is to flash it via fastboot.

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I don't think Pookie was trying to be a shlong! He just didn't understand my question.

It's a little disconcerting that CWM and Stock recoveries can't access enctypted data, because Safestrap 3.11 accesses the encrypted data that I have on slot 3(Icuras HD) with no problems. Also, on the Xoom, I have been corresponding with runandhide and he developed an updated version of TWRP that can decrypt and backup encypted data (I am now writing to you on an enctypted EOS 4 ROM on my Xoom ).

What I was unsure about and asking is if I can I just go back to the Stock Slot of SS 3.11 where I have my stock 246 that is rooted and protected with Voodoo # and Super Superuser Pro root keeper apps, or do I have to completely delete Safestrap?

I was also trying to understand if the encrypted data/rom on slot 3 will somehow hinder or prevent me from updating to 4.1, if I choose to do so? That was an issue with the Xoom before runandhide and BRD got involved and found a solution.

With all due respect, I have been active in a few other threads here, on XDA and the various iterations of the Hive for a very long time, have flashed numerous otas, kexec roms and custom roms on the Bionic, Xoom and even dating back to the bad old O Droid days. I have used HoB a number of times, successfully, without ticking Sam off too much! I read and understand the technology, so I think I have a fair working knowledge of how my Bionic works and the locked bootloader issues.

I do have very real concerns when it comes to the OTA updates, both this one and the various leaks leading up to the 246 ota in the past. I think that I have good reason to be very cautious about the upcoming JB ota release.
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[Obsidian]

Trust me when I say that I don't put people down or ever try to make someone look like a fool because that wasn't my intention and isn't the type of person I am. Your question was worded very oddly but I read the way you put it in another thread and you were more detailed making more sense. To answer your question. No you can't have a custom recovery installed when you use the stock recovery to flash the jb ota update. You need to be stock (rooted or not doesn't matter) because if any of your system files are edited or missing the update will fail. The reason SS can see them is probably due to where it installs the roms and the rom slots.

I bet if you encrypted the stock rom you'd have the same issues cwm does due to the location of the install and what encrpting actually protects

And Pooka's my boy he knows I was just messing with him.

Oh and the problem with updating to JB is the inability to revert back to ics. There is no root exploit so if you mess up trying to debloat your stock rooted jb ota and put yourself in a bootloop you'll have to fxz back to stock jb and loose root. Making your phone a locked unrooted completely stock bloated phone... so let other people make that mistake and wait until we get it worked out :-) that's why it's always better to ask questions like you did then to go in blind

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[Aldroid33]

That's no problem. Decryption is a problem, however. If the only way to decrypt my phone is to fxz it e.g using HoB, will it decrypt my external sd card i.e. wipe all the saved data? Is there a way of decryption that does not destroy the data on phone and card?

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[Obsidian]

That's no problem. Decryption is a problem, however. If the only way to decrypt my phone is to fxz it e.g using HoB, will it decrypt my external sd card i.e. wipe all the saved data? Is there a way of decryption that does not destroy the data on phone and card?

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Hmmm... No the fxz doesn't touch your ext sdcard that is why I always tell people to backup their data, nandroids etc... there in case they need to fxz (even if the fxz did wipe that you could just remove it) You'd have to ask Sam if the HoB would decrypt it with the reduced amount of files his custom fxz uses or if it'd just fail completely

Other than that idk. 99% of us don't use encryption so you are kind of out on an island all by yourself. But I'm more than willing to help you find the answers you need

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[SamuriHL]

HoB doesn't touch anything encrypted.  Sorry.

[Obsidian]

HoB doesn't touch anything encrypted.  Sorry.

Damn brother you got right on top of that question. I assumed it wouldn't, would kind of negate the whole point of HoB lol. The standard fxz probably works that way because it's the only way to get rid of encryption... Always wondered why it was an all or nothing process (Besides protecting customers info by using it allowing vzw to sell refurbished devices)

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[SamuriHL]

Yea, I take that out of even the full FXZ option in the HoB because quite frankly people don't like having their shit get erased.  

[Obsidian]

Exactly the only reason you would have to, not even want to, would be to remove encryption

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[Obsidian]

Sam can you send me that modded 246 fxz

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[SamuriHL]

When you say "modded fxz" I don't think you quite understand how it works. I don't change anything in the FXZ.  I wrote my own scripts as part of the HoB.

[Int_Rnd_Pooka]

When you say "modded fxz" I don't think you quite understand how it works. I don't change anything in the FXZ.  I wrote my own scripts as part of the HoB.

If he has the full 246 fxz, you could send the modded xml that has only the pushes you need, or am I misunderstanding the question again? :-)

[SamuriHL]

If he has the full 246 fxz, you could send the modded xml that has only the pushes you need, or am I misunderstanding the question again? :-)

 

It's not that simple.  It's a series of many xml files that make sense only to the HoB.  I modularized the FXZ, IOW.  

[Obsidian]

If he has the full 246 fxz, you could send the modded xml that has only the pushes you need, or am I misunderstanding the question again? :-)

 
It's not that simple.  It's a series of many xml files that make sense only to the HoB.  I modularized the FXZ, IOW.  

Well that's not good enough Sam. I want you to make me a 246 fxz that fixes everything and i need it to do it all while my phone is running so I don't miss a phone call while it fixes something that I broke but blame on you, Moto, Google or VZW. That'll be all thx

I thought you made a modded 246 zip that you had just removed the format lines from. Your response was just worded weird or I didn't read it right :-)

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[SamuriHL]

I can make one of those.  It's easy enough to do and I have done it for others before.  I don't have one for 246.  No, I broke it out into different sections so that the HoB has more control over the process.  For instance, people can skip flashing webtop since that never changes once they're on ICS.  I have scripts for flashing recovery during a reinstall of an update, as well, if the user had bothered to extract recovery.  Here's a "keep data" version of the xml file...

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[Aldroid33]

That's no problem. Decryption is a problem, however. If the only way to decrypt my phone is to fxz it e.g using HoB, will it decrypt my external sd card i.e. wipe all the saved data? Is there a way of decryption that does not destroy the data on phone and card?

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Hmmm... No the fxz doesn't touch your ext sdcard that is why I always tell people to backup their data, nandroids etc... there in case they need to fxz (even if the fxz did wipe that you could just remove it) You'd have to ask Sam if the HoB would decrypt it with the reduced amount of files his custom fxz uses or if it'd just fail completely

Other than that idk. 99% of us don't use encryption so you are kind of out on an island all by yourself. But I'm more than willing to help you find the answers you need

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Thanks, I have and will be in touch with Sam in this, as well. I am planning to fxz and use another sd card that I saved for emergencies. Hopefully it will work.

HoB doesn't touch anything encrypted. Sorry.

Damn brother you got right on top of that question. I assumed it wouldn't, would kind of negate the whole point of HoB lol. The standard fxz probably works that way because it's the only way to get rid of encryption... Always wondered why it was an all or nothing process (Besides protecting customers info by using it allowing vzw to sell refurbished devices)

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Well Sam got involved before l even had the chance to ask. I needed to encrypt so that I could receive my work emails. I guess they like Verizon. I don't plan in borking my Bionic.! Any further support and advice would be welcomed



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[SamuriHL]

Short of doing a full FXZ and formatting the sdcard?  I don't have any.  That'll wipe everything back to factory defaults with no encryption anywhere.

[Aldroid33]

That's no problem. Decryption is a problem, however. If the only way to decrypt my phone is to fxz it e.g using HoB, will it decrypt my external sd card i.e. wipe all the saved data? Is there a way of decryption that does not destroy the data on phone and card?

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Hmmm... No the fxz doesn't touch your ext sdcard that is why I always tell people to backup their data, nandroids etc... there in case they need to fxz (even if the fxz did wipe that you could just remove it) You'd have to ask Sam if the HoB would decrypt it with the reduced amount of files his custom fxz uses or if it'd just fail completely

Other than that idk. 99% of us don't use encryption so you are kind of out on an island all by yourself. But I'm more than willing to help you find the answers you need

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Thanks, I have and will be in touch with Sam in this, as well. I am planning to fxz and use another sd card that I saved for emergencies. Hopefully it will work.

HoB doesn't touch anything encrypted. Sorry.

Damn brother you got right on top of that question. I assumed it wouldn't, would kind of negate the whole point of HoB lol. The standard fxz probably works that way because it's the only way to get rid of encryption... Always wondered why it was an all or nothing process (Besides protecting customers info by using it allowing vzw to sell refurbished devices)

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Well Sam got involved before l even had the chance to ask. I needed to encrypt so that I could receive my work emails. I guess they like Verizon. I don't plan in borking my Bionic.! Any further support and advice would be welcomed



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Short of doing a full FXZ and formatting the sdcard?  I don't have any.  That'll wipe everything back to factory defaults with no encryption anywhere.

Well, I did it, with your advice, Sam's help and a very late night!!! I was able to go back to stock rooted using HoB, reformatted a new SD card, left the other one encrypted, and reinstalled SS. Saved the Stock Blur ROM on my internal memory and uploaded and reformatted Slot 2 with 2GB and restored the new JB ROM. I then replaced the SD card with my encrypted SD and restored data from my encrypted Icarus HD, wiped Cache and reebooted....:

Bingo, I now have my custom encrypted Stock Rooted Blur JB ROM on Safestrap, have my circles launcher and can access my work Exchange that requires encryption. All the while having the stock rooted system on the Stock side and a formatted extra SD card. I am writing on my lap dock!!!

Thank you Sam for you advice and insight. I never would have realized that I had a bad download, by checking the MD5. Also, thank you Obsidian for providing me with greater insight into how this may be done.

Now for a new Custom ROM....
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[Obsidian]

I had someone ask me about going to jb... here is my response

The biggest thing right now is that if you aren't confident with soft bricking/bootlooping and coming back from it now is not the time to be messing with making the move to the jb ota.

The reasons are this. First we don't have a jb fxz file to even get you back to stock jb if you mess up. That means if you do mess up and soft brick your phone it literally becomes a brick (non working phone) until we get our hands on the fxz file from someone that works for Moto through back channels (which could take weeks) When we finally do get that you'll have to learn how to use it (rsd lite 5.7, the fxz file, an oem moto cable, a fully charged battery (when your phone is bricked you can't even charge the battery because there's no OS to tell it to do so. Because of that you have to take your oem cable cut it into pieces and hard wire it to your battery to charge it) since you destroyed your oem cable you'll need another one and a computer) btw you can not go backwards... ie you cant use the ics fxz to get back to ics... ever

Even when you get through that (which completely formats your phone so hopefully everything is backed up to your external) you'll then have a bone stock jb ota phone that isn't rooted. Since no one has made a Root exploit, and at this point we don't know if anyone will, you will have lost root without a way to get it back.

So the best outcome is you learn everything about what you wrote above, manage to get your phone back to stock ics ota use voodoo to temporarily remove root use stock recovery to flash the jb ota. After which restore root with voodoo reinstall all the root apps and then have a stock bloated rooted jb ota bionic with zero development, no custom recovery or rom. If you try to debloat it yourself and screw up you'll bootloop and be back to the point where I said "The biggest thing right now is..."

If you're willing to risk all of that and not having a usable phone (hopefully you have another smart phone around to use) I can tell you how but I'd really rather not. I would suggest that you instead let us fools put in all that work and once we get it mastered and come up with both the jb fxz file and a root exploit that you then make the move. I'll be in communication with Hashcode about a jb Safestrap and the other devs about roms but even they won't be making the move until we get the fxz and root exploit because we all soft brick a lot and need the fxz to do any developing or testing.