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[johnthehillbilly]

Yup done it a hundred times lol. I was just refering for those on 214 if they didn't want to reload any apps... but call me a purist cuz I would rather fastboot and start with a completely clean slate, after wiping the sd/sd-ext. More work but worth it to me to have no conflicts. Besides... I'm hooked on flashing lol

I agree..... i always fastboot back before doing anything "major"..... better to start clean..... who knows what all we may have "floating" around in our phones .... taking 15-20 min to restore apps is a small price to pay IMO

[Torin_93]

Thanks guys! I will fastboot back to 211 so I can make it back to 215 because you cant go from 214>215. This will be my weekend project, or maybe start tomorrow!

[larrygeary]

[ Let me start by congratulating the developer on a FANTASTIC recovery program. It makes experimenting with new ROMs easy, rather than a chore I hesitate to take on. As I result, I am learning a lot. Thank you very much.

But if I can make one old geezer suggestion, could you replace the image used in the recovery splash screen with something more professional? I don't need to elaborate. You know what I mean. ]

I am running a Motorola DROID RAZR, and I have two ROM slots filled in addition to the stock ROM. I went to create a third slot and the recovery couldn't do it (but didn't give me an error message). I looked and saw the free space was about 4Mb short of what was needed. Each ROM slot I created used the minimum 1Gb size. Perhaps you could add a smaller option for this parameter, say 750Mb? Alternatively, is there another way around this?

Also, does this recovery use the preinstall partition like the older SafeStraps did? I am assuming that when JellyBean finally comes out of Verizon that I'll need to Fastboot back to 211 to take the OTA. That's not a problem, but I just want to confirm.

[Nitewolf]

[ Let me start by congratulating the developer on a FANTASTIC recovery program. It makes experimenting with new ROMs easy, rather than a chore I hesitate to take on. As I result, I am learning a lot. Thank you very much.

But if I can make one old geezer suggestion, could you replace the image used in the recovery splash screen with something more professional? I don't need to elaborate. You know what I mean. ]

I am running a Motorola DROID RAZR, and I have two ROM slots filled in addition to the stock ROM. I went to create a third slot and the recovery couldn't do it (but didn't give me an error message). I looked and saw the free space was about 4Mb short of what was needed. Each ROM slot I created used the minimum 1Gb size. Perhaps you could add a smaller option for this parameter, say 750Mb? Alternatively, is there another way around this?

Also, does this recovery use the preinstall partition like the older SafeStraps did? I am assuming that when JellyBean finally comes out of Verizon that I'll need to Fastboot back to 211 to take the OTA. That's not a problem, but I just want to confirm.

I was able to create two- 2G slots and one- 1gig slot after doing a full wipe of sd and then fastbooting, reinstalling 215, root and SS. Didn't bother with the stock other than set it up and left it at that with no further apps installed or updated. The only time I ever get the low memory warning is when I enable the stock. The roms aren't complaining. So I figure it would have taken four 1G slots with no problems

[ibolski]

So, how does the v2 of Safestrap work when creating a safe side and non-safe side? I think what I have determined with v3 is that it creates partition "images" in the /sdcard/safestrap directory for each ROM slot which is why I see my internal SD card memory reduce itself in size. I see that it's not creating new partitions, but rather allocating memory off of the internal SD card.

How does v2 of Safestrap work? It appears as if I'm not losing any memory off of my internal SD card other than when it "saves" the safe and unsafe sides. But, when I switch to safe mode, how is it exactly working?

I am currently sticking with v2 because I have 3 gb free on my internal SD card and when I use v3, I can't re-install all my apps that I have (yes, I'm an app hog.) In actuality, I have games that have a lot of extra content (Bard's Tale, Final Fantasy III, etc) so that is why I eat up a lot of space on my internal SD card. So, when I create my first ROM slot, if I go with 1gb, then I don't have enough memory to reinstall all my apps. With the ROM slot taking up 1gb on my internal SD card, it leaves less room to move those apps off of internal storage to the SD card. If I go with 2gb ROM, then I have enough to re-install my apps, but I have less than 1gb on my internal SD card.

So, it seems the trade-off with v3 is that ROM images eat up MORE space than they do under v2 due to the way they allocate the memory on my internal SD card. Why is it I don't see this with v2?

Thanks!

[bipmip]

So if I read the OP right, all i have to do is move my SS folder from /sdcard to my external sdcard and then download and install right over the top of SS 2.xx? I dont need to uninstall SS somehow right? and i can be on any rom or kernal version?

[G8orDroid]

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So, it seems the trade-off with v3 is that ROM images eat up MORE space than they do under v2 due to the way they allocate the memory on my internal SD card. Why is it I don't see this with v2?

Thanks!

To answer your last question, the reason you don't see the loss of space with v2 is that v2 does not use use the the internal storage to store anything but the data backups to swap between safe and non-safe sides. This is why it takes a while to swap between sides. The original or non-safe system is exactly as it would be in stock. The safe system is stored in the /preinstall partition. When you swap modes in recovery, hashcode uses some trickery to mount the partitions with the proper mint points and then restores the associated /data.

As far as v3 goes, it absolutely does use your internal storage for both the system and the data partitions and as such greatly reduces your usable internal storage. The beauty of this is your stock system remains completely stock and should be able to be upgraded through OTA's.

I could go on about the options you have to deal with the reduced space on internal storage when using v3, but I'm posting from my phone and, quite honestly, tired of swyping and correcting.

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[SpyderMan]

Can anyone shed light on what, if anything is needed to make a mirror image of a rom slot besides System & Data which seem to be the defaults?

What are Cache & android-secure backups meant for?

This is so much better than ss211 - but we need more documentation & strategical tips to know how to do in SS3 w%at we used to do in SS2xx

Love the rapid switching, charge-while-in-recovery etc.

Most important - how to get back internal memory…

Forget Obama or Romney, Hashcode for President!

Thanks so much for all you do & give us!

[wabmorgan]

Thanks guys! I will fastboot back to 211 so I can make it back to 215 because you cant go from 214>215. This will be my weekend project, or maybe start tomorrow!

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[G8orDroid]

Can anyone shed light on what, if anything is needed to make a mirror image of a rom slot besides System & Data which seem to be the defaults?

What are Cache & android-secure backups meant for?

This is so much better than ss211 - but we need more documentation & strategical tips to know how to do in SS3 w%at we used to do in SS2xx

Love the rapid switching, charge-while-in-recovery etc.

Most important - how to get back internal memory…

Forget Obama or Romney, Hashcode for President!

Thanks so much for all you do & give us!

Cache is just what it says and is not really needed. The cache will be rebuilt as needed. If you want a 100% mirror of the ROM, you'd back it up, but it's not really necessary.

Android-secure is to back up apps & data on the external sdcard if any have been installed or moved there.

There is NO WAY to get back internal memory using SS v3.x. You can minimize how much you lose by only creating 1 or 2 slots and using the minimum /data partition size, but you are going to sacrifice internal storage. There are a few discussions around on how to swap defaults on sdcard & sdcard-ext for those that are getting low space warnings. I haven't had that issue, so I haven't investigated it any further.

My advice for anyone wanting to use SS v3.x and also wanting to run multiple ROM slots is to backup/copy your internal sdcard data and move it to your sdcard-ext and wipe the internal clean. Create your ROM slots on the freshly wiped emmc and set all apps that you can to use the sdcard-ext for data. If you still have low space warnings, you'll probably want to look into swapping the sdcard and sdcard-ext mount points to make it appear that your actual "sdcard" is the internal storage.

[DemoManMLS]

I'm assuming I can install 3.05 over 3.04 no problems, right?

[G8orDroid]

I'm assuming I can install 3.05 over 3.04 no problems, right?

Yes, just make sure you swap to your stock ROM first.

[andrep182]

Yes, just make sure you swap to your stock ROM first.

Just to make sure I'm clear on this as well (upgrading from 3.04 to 3.05), is this what I should do?

go to stock ROM
install 3.05 APK and replace 3.04 APK
install recovery
restart and BAM!

[G8orDroid]

Just to make sure I'm clear on this as well (upgrading from 3.04 to 3.05), is this what I should do?

go to stock ROM
install 3.05 APK and replace 3.04 APK
install recovery
restart and BAM!

That should do it. You could open the 3.04 app and uninstall recovery prior to installing 3.05, but it is not really necessary. Installing over the top is fine. Just make sure you remember to open the 3.05 app an install recovery afterwards.

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[SpyderMan]

My advice for anyone wanting to use SS v3.x and also wanting to run multiple ROM slots is to backup/copy your internal sdcard data and move it to your sdcard-ext and wipe the internal clean.

G8orDroid, while I appreciate the reply, I'm not sure exactly how to go about each step i.e. "copying / backing up internal sdcard data" - is it just copying all of the contents of /sdcard to /sdcard-ext; right?

& how do I "wipe the internal clean", is that a Factory Reset & checking off "Erase internal storage"?

Please advise.

I've loaded loads of roms on diff devices, but this affects critical data &
just want to be careful… and I want to do it
right w/out 3d party data loss …

TIA

[G8orDroid]

G8orDroid, while I appreciate the reply, I'm not sure exactly how to go about each step i.e. "copying / backing up internal sdcard data" - is it just copying all of the contents of /sdcard to /sdcard-ext; right?

& how do I "wipe the internal clean", is that a Factory Reset & checking off "Erase internal storage"?

Please advise.

I've loaded loads of roms on diff devices, but this affects critical data &
just want to be careful… and I want to do it
right w/out 3d party data loss …

TIA

To be clear, many apps use internal storage (emmc) as their default location to save certain data and temporary information, so you often end up with multiple folders on the emmc that you really don't have a clue about. Some apps can be redirected in-app to use the external storage, others are hard coded that way and will always use it. That said, it's impossible for me to know what you have on your emmc and what might get hosed. What I would do is copy the entire contents of the emmc to a PC. Then I would copy what I absolutely know that I want to save and keep on my phone (music, pics, documents, etc.) to the sdcard-ext. This way, you have a full "backup" of the emmc in case you need it, but you are not wasting space on the sdcard-ext with stuff that's never going to be accessed again. Once that's done, from your stock ROM go to menu > system settings > storage, scroll down to the "internal storage" area and select "Erase internal storage". This will erase the entire internal emmc (including any ROM slots you have created). No need to do a factory reset at all.

I have not personally tried this, but I'm fairly certain, if you have previously created ROM slots with SS v3.x and backed them up to a PC like, I said earlier, you can now copy those back to the their proper folder location in the internal sdcard and be able to select them the next time you boot into recovery.

You shouldn't lose any actual data with this method, unless it's an app that normally uses "sdcard" to save it's data. Some apps I can think of off hand are TiBu, ROM Toolbox and GooManager and I know each of those are configurable to use sdcard-ext.

[pattersonx]

Sorry if this has been answered already havent seen it yet though. I am noticing that ics roms have a low volume space or something to that effect warning with ss3 and jb dont...anybody have same issue?

[Nitewolf]

Has anyone inadvertently created a slot and didn't set the partition size? This is what I did but then deleted the slot after checking out the rom. Just wondering if there are any ramifications to doing so... and if there is a "default" size if it's not defined.

[wonton9224]

Is ss3 compatible with kexec roms?
This might have been answered already but I can't find anyone mentioning it anywhere, could be because it might be a stupid question but I always wanna be sure about things before flashing.
Also, coming from ss2.11 do I have to switch over to unsafe (stock) system before uninstalling 2.11 and installing 3.05? Or can I just perform this while on my safe system?

[Nitewolf]

Is ss3 compatible with kexec roms?
This might have been answered already but I can't find anyone mentioning it anywhere, could be because it might be a stupid question but I always wanna be sure about things before flashing.
Also, coming from ss2.11 do I have to switch over to unsafe (stock) system before uninstalling 2.11 and installing 3.05? Or can I just perform this while on my safe system?

Any rom you can use on 2.11 you can use on 3.05 and yes it's recommended to install on your stock side. I don't think 2.11 backups are compatable though.